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How many Swiss Blogs? Part II

My post from yesterday started some discussion. First about, what's a Swiss blog (in short: "you live here, or you're Swiss"), then how to technically finding that out (GeoURL etc) and its limitations.

There's also another question: When is a blog a blog? When I (as site owner) call it a blog? When it has a comment function? When it has an RSS/Atom Feed?

Here are some figures:

* Blog.ch has currently 423 blogs listed, 322 active in the last 30 days.
* Searching for blog on Google for only Switzerland stops after 291 entries, then the message "In order to show you the most relevant results, we have omitted some entries very similar to the 291 already displayed." appears, no idea how accurate that is, it at least doesn't go much further than 1000 on any word on the main search.. My Interpretation of this result is, that Google thinks, there are 291 relevant webpages in Switzerland, which have to say something about blogs :)
* GeoURL lists 472 "blogs" which are 300 km or less away from central Switzerland.

I unfortunately couldn't come up with more figures. If anyone has any ideas, please stand up ;)

My conclusion? The 1500 Swiss weblogs figure seems very optimistic for me at the moment, especially if we want to take only more or less active blogs into account and not counting all the "I use a blog tool for my corporate news section, where one simple database table would have been enough back in the nineties. And please turn off the commenting feature..."

But with the gaining popularity of blog.ch we should be able to get a more accurate figure, as hopefully every self-respectful blogger will enlist there :) OTOH, if (and that's a big if, in my opinion) blogs take over the mass-market via telcos and other big companies then we can forget about that method of counting, as a big part of their users will most certainly not care about something like a "blogosphere".

Related Entries:
- Blogug Map in Google Earth
- High resolution map of latest Swiss blog posts
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- Swiss blogs map
- Liip - Swiss Made Software

Comments [18]

Alain, 28.06.2005 08:00 CEST

Same Google-Query above lists 386 entries here before duplicate entries.

leo, 28.06.2005 08:19 CEST

Perhaps somebody find a answer at the weblog faq (http://www.stefanbucher.net/weblogfaq/#25). Had at the momentan no time, perhaps afterwards I write a longer answer.

Matthias, 28.06.2005 10:37 CEST

A journalist just asked me how many Swiss blogs there are, and I told her 'nobody knows'. That's about as accurate as it gets right now :-).

Anyway. I think there are two methods to count blogs:
a) self-declaration, IOW blogs that registered themselves either at blog.ch, swissblogs.com, or the international registries that have a Switzerland section.

b) deduction, IOW educated guesswork. That can be done by using searchengine results, or writing your own intelligent spider that can figure out when a blog is "Swiss".

Solution b) has a huge potential for completely bogus figures; it all depends on the algorithm that determines "Swissness". I wouldn't have a clue how to begin here.

Solution a) has almost no bogus data, but there's a huge gray are: Not all Swiss blogs in existance will register themselves at blog.ch or swissblogs.com. And we can't count on them registering as "Swiss" in the international directories, either. And even if they're registered in the international directory, you'd have to check each blog for activity. But if there were a reliable way to determine the size of the gray area, we could come up with something more solid than idle speculation.

leo, 28.06.2005 12:56 CEST

Now more. I think the site from Sven Przepiorka, a german site liked from the site weblog faq (http://www.tzwaen.com/publikationen/weblogs-definitionen/). Describe a lot of diferent aspects. Meg Hourihan's comment about blogs (at the bottom in english) is, from my point, real correct. But also Peter Praschl is right when he say the a blog pulish content as a normal website ("[...]als ganz normale Webseite").

So a blog is a normal website and from this point its real hard to find (with a spider or something like this) out which website are blogs.

So I tried out too find swiss blogs with google and search for "permalink" (a keyword which is nearly in all blogs) but i found only around 40 Sites. Perhaps google search not for text in "navigation-items".

adrian, 28.06.2005 15:30 CEST

"permalink" isn't _the_ word, you can count on. in my blog - just as example - it's just called "link".

what about "calling" all swiss bloggers to register themselfs on _one_ portal (maybe a special site for this action)? as "mouth-to-mouth-propaganda" such an action should work - if a blogger is really active, he'll get the message and will act to be a part of the swiss blog-scene...

chregu, 28.06.2005 15:34 CEST

adrian: That "portal" exists already and it's called blog.ch :) No need for another one, IMHO.

numlock.ch :: A changelog by Daniel Mettler, 28.06.2005 17:17 CEST (Trackback)

How to count the number of Swiss weblogs? Some suggestions and estimates: Bitflux Blog :: How many Swiss Blogs? Part II...

adrian, 29.06.2005 08:23 CEST

yes, i know, that's what i ment by "on _one_ [existing] portal". but if they don't register on blog.ch there's maybe a special site/action needed - who knows.
i thaught, you need a feed of your blog to register ("submit your feed") your blog on blog.ch - and that's the problem: it depends on the definition on what's a blog (see above) ... is a blog a blog if it doesn't have a feed? etc.
can your register there, if you don't have a feed?

Matthias, 29.06.2005 11:06 CEST

Sorry, my mistake. I thought I'd changed the text to say "Submit your blog" everywhere... guess I didn't. You can certainly submit your blog even if it doesn't have a feed!

Jerome, 30.06.2005 18:23 CEST

> 1500 Swiss weblogs figure seems very optimistic for
> me at the moment
I do not think so... there are a LOT of teenagers that have blogs on skyblogs, u-blog or over-blog and they are all counted as french (i.e. from France) bloggers even though they are swiss, live and go to school in Switzerland. For those people a portal will not change much, they do not care about the whole blog world (as most of us see it) they just want to share text and images with friends.

Matthias, 02.07.2005 22:57 CEST

Jerome, I think you're mentioning an important point with those teenagers: Some communities just don't need outside contact, they're happy with what they've got in their own "world". I guess this is also the model that Microsoft Spaces is going for.

Stefan Bucher, 03.07.2005 20:05 CEST

By the way, I added a link to freeflux.net in the WeblogFAQ mentioned by leo above:
http://www.stefanbucher.net/weblogfaq/#25

Hope this helps to spread the word ;-)

chregu, 04.07.2005 06:42 CEST

Ooh, cool. Thank you very much, Stefan.

Benjamin J. J. Voigt, 13.07.2005 13:45 CEST

You manner of counting seems rather naive. First it's a single word query, second that term might be represented several times on one page.

As to the spider, querying Google with link based queries yields around 33K blogs in Switzerland.

But, and that has been brought up a lot here, does it matter how many Swiss Blogs there really are? Many bloggers truly don't care about blogosphere at all, and, why should they? The care for functionality over philosophy. Isn't the real question how many blogs are Swiss related? Or how many blogs are influencing the Swiss Market?

Regards Ben

chregu, 13.07.2005 13:53 CEST

Benjamin: I never said the google search was a definitive figure, just a figure for a start...

And yes, the problem with counting blogs starts with the definition of what's a blog...

And I agree with you, that it doesn't really matter, but a lot of people (especially the "old" media) seems to like those figures :)

Matthias, 16.07.2005 17:44 CEST

Just got a mail from http://bloghotel.org, it's registered by a Swiss company. Stats on the frontpage:

Total : 1157 Bloggeurs
Articles Total: 2997
Commentaire Total: 1014

Either lots of trial blogs, or extremely lazy bloggers. If someone with better French skills could ask them for activity stats?

Weblog - stefanbucher.net, 25.07.2005 22:11 CEST (Trackback)

Passend auch zur Diskussion How many Swiss Blogs?, krzlich bei Klaus Eck gelesen:Die Zahl der Blogs ist in der Blogsphere nicht wirklich entscheidend, um die Relevanz derselben darzustellen. Viel wichtiger ist die Frage, wie werden die Blogs wahrgenommen: …

leo, 05.08.2005 18:43 CEST

Others also try to count blogs, see http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/62535 (in German).

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